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The most valuable commodity on earth today is data. How we make it, use it, move it & protect it. Join David McCall as he invites guests from all industries to talk about how they use data to drive their business & innovation in their market.
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Wednesday May 06, 2026
Wednesday May 06, 2026
Bill Kleyman, CEO of Apolo, says the gigawatt era is here, and our industry has to grow up fast. We get into power as a relationship, the new physical security frontline, why every data center is becoming an AI data center, and what bravery actually looks like in this market.
Chapters:
00:00 Cold Open: The Energetic Chipmunk on a Barrel of Oil
01:20 Welcome to the Gigawatt Era - Why It Is Already Here
06:31 The Outsider Reaction: When Trillions of Chips Sound Like a Threat
09:06 Listening to the Skeptics: A High School DECA Lesson and a GDC Backstage
23:36 Plant Seeds, Do Not Win Arguments - The Communication Playbook
24:50 Power Is Not a Line Item, It Is a Relationship
32:23 Bravery Defined: Big Decisions With Eyes Wide Open
38:14 Cloud, AI, and the Electrification Moment for Digital Infrastructure
44:02 The New Frontline: Physical Security in the AI Era
54:42 Tools of the Adversary: Drones, Wireless, and What Comes Next
59:38 The Catalyst, the Targets, and the Closing Charge of Fearless Curiosity
Links and References:
Bill Kleyman on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/billkleyman
Apolo (Bill’s company): https://www.apolo.us
Bill Kleyman personal site: https://billkleyman.com
AFCOM article — "2026: The Gigawatt Era Begins" (Bill’s monthly AFCOM piece referenced at the top of the episode). Read it here
AFCOM State of the Data Center 2026 — the 10th-anniversary edition of the report Bill authored. The "human threats overtaking ransomware" and "84% changing physical security" figures both come from this report.
AFCOM resources AFCOM forthcoming security article — "The New Frontline: Securing Data Centers in an AI Era," scheduled for AFCOM publication the Friday of the recording week. AFCOM news feed
Bastille Networks (referenced for wireless / drone-based facility security): https://bastille.net
Volta Grid (referenced for behind-the-meter natural gas generation): https://www.voltagrid.com
Schneider Electric Innovation Summit (where Bill heard the 200 GW projection): https://www.se.com/us/en/work/campaign/innovation/summit.jsp
NVIDIA GTC 2026 (Jensen Huang trillions-of-chips and 600 kW rack reference): https://www.nvidia.com/gtc
Game Developers Conference (GDC) - Bill’s Luminary Stage talk: https://gdconf.com
Nomad Futurist (industry talent and education organization Bill is on the board of): https://nomadfuturist.org
Infrastructure Masons (where Bill chairs the Education Committee): https://imasons.org
AFCOM (where Bill is Data Center World Program Chair): https://afcom.com
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